Attention! who is waiting for 200 XP lite! [Archive]

SarkaPRO

12-20-2002, 10:03 AM

Just to clear out this missunderstanding. We SarkaPRO do not have anything to do with Shane Brooks/www.litepc.com. What we have in common is that we are fighting with same problems inside WIN OS.

We ment with our message that we SarkaPRO have finally found our own WIN2000 LitePRO
and WINXP LitePRO. We actually call our softwares WIN IMOS.

Our verson is not a executable (.exe) installation software. We do not stripdown ready installed OS like most colleaques are doing it.
Read the colleaques FAQ more carefully the question - What 98lite features WONT be including?
- It means that our colleaques software have a .exe file. This doesn't have swapping. Its not a pre-installer.
- Our is a pre-installer and we have shell swapping. Similar to our colleques 98lite Professional software.

Our stripdown OS IMOS WIN2000 weights installed about 350Mb and IMOS XP as installed only 500Mb. IE, Outlook Express, NetMeting and all other un-necessary and dangerous parts has been totally un-installed in installation process.

Hope this cleared out a few things.

Thanks

Robert D

12-20-2002, 10:44 AM

Yes, everything except for who, what, where, when, how, and why. The only link you gave is to a company that isn't yours? For a product that's like yours, but not really?
RD

Michael Quayle

12-20-2002, 11:56 AM

Andrei has shot you guys in the foot. Badly worded, amateur, rude and no website. This thing will never get a penny of my money. Customer support seems to be non existent. I think I will wait for litepc to finish their R&D and buy from a PROFESSIONAL company.

Michael Quayle

12-20-2002, 11:58 AM

Hehe even the topic was incorrect. You guys selling snake oil too?

Andrei

12-20-2002, 12:51 PM

Sorry for misunderstanding, but if you would read my post carefully it won't come. if you
would understand correctly FAQ on litepc webside you would directly see that it's about
absolutely different technologies, because we
are working absolutely differently. You were
wondering were to get lite version of your OS?
We have something similar. you need a website? www.sarkapro.com, (http://www.sarkapro.com,) if you can read finnish, you are
welcome.that's why we left only email.
Anyway here is OUR FAQ about OUR SYSTEM

Q. Any relations to www.litepc.com? (http://www.litepc.com?)
A. No
Q. Does it exist any other system, similar to yours?
A. We believe that somebody else do it also.
Q. How your system works?
A. Pretty much like all installers
Q.Can you "strip down" already installed OS?
A.No, clean installation is required.
Q. How to install it?
A. Like "normal" winOS. No tricks or special skills.
Q. Whom it´s targeted for?
A. fIRST OF ALL FOR HI-END audio-video Workstations.
Q.What I get?
A. Basic OS, fast, without web-integration.
Q. But can I have an internet access still?
A.Sure, with Netscape or Opera (specially recommended)
Q. Will all software work?
A.No, but mostly it concern some tweaking utilities and not related
to professional computing.You can consult us about uncompatibilities.
Q. Do I still need some tweaks?
A. Most of them are now obsolete. We supply system with all necessary reg.patches
but you still can configure your services launching utility according to your needs.
We can provide you with necessary information.
Q. Do I really need service packs?
A. You need some hotfixes but they are integrated already. 90% of service packs become
obsolete because they are related to security holes and other IE-related bugs,
but they are not installed because you won't have a target applications.
Anyway if you are2000 user you will benefit of SP3 for shure, about XP SP1 it's uncertain.
Q. Can I install upcoming SP on top of your system?
A: You probably will kill it.
We have to accemble an updated version, if you really need it. That's a problem for anybody
is doing the same work.
Q.Where to get it?
A.Currently It's coming preinstalled on our DAWs technically it's no problem to distribute it separately but we still consider about it

More questions: www.sarkapro@sarkapro.com (http://www.sarkapro@sarkapro.com)

SarkaPRO

12-20-2002, 01:13 PM

Don't be negative - positive is professional.

The only thing you have to understand is how
our invension works compared to Brooks. Not just using Lite for fun - mainly for those who knows.

Ours is already widly used in Finnish studios. A couple International. Offcourse we do not use Finnish OS - english instead.

Be postive and understand that there are only two diffrent companys worldwide who are commersially selling and installing stripdown verson of Windows - Shane and SarkaPRO.

Be happy. Cool brothers... http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif

Michael Quayle

12-20-2002, 01:34 PM

Sorry for misunderstanding, but if you WROTE your post carefully this wouldn't happen. Whilst I can accept that English isn't your first language, you must accept that we only have your words to judge you by. And insulting established members of these forums whilst trying to sell a product is a NEGATIVE (and therefore, following sarkapros logic, unprofessional) and ultimately self-sabotaging approach to marketing and publicity. Maybe now we understand each other.

SarkaPRO

12-20-2002, 02:06 PM

The worlds best coders comes from Russia and India.... None of them speaks 100% US English.

Remember that there is only 2 companys worldwide who is commersially selling and installing stripdown WIN for you !

Best Saturdays

Andrei

12-20-2002, 02:13 PM

OK,whatever. positive is a fact, that lite
version of NT is possible.(for those. who
is interested, shure)Wherever it will come
from, it's also good to have a choice.
Nobody is selling for you anything yet, and to
be honest you can interpret any message here like spam. If you are saying that your mobo is good we can assume that you are working for some hardware manufacturer and so on...(joke)
marry Christmas for everybody include my "old friend" Brsilian. I have said everything what's necessary so far, so mission is over.
Good luck

Sonic Valley

12-20-2002, 03:10 PM

This has got to be the strangest sales tactic yet....

TimZ

12-20-2002, 03:29 PM

Oh . . . . are they selling something?

TZ

Fleghand

12-20-2002, 08:25 PM

Why is anyone still posting to this thread?

"The fool remains a wiseman so long as he keeps his mouth shut."

SarkaPRO

12-21-2002, 03:05 AM

Sonic Valley:
It wasen't at all a sales tactic. Only in a same way like a news article in a magazine.

Good to know atitude...

SarkaPRO

12-21-2002, 11:36 AM

diminished:
You asked why offices and DAWs dont have widly in use a software like Shanes and ours. A short answer to this is that we are talking about MS own software (question about money). They didn't gave and never will give there OS to open source like Linux did.

What ever you are doing with Windows its still no way to integrate professional quality audio to WINs Core which is possible in Linux and Mac OS X. So we still are married with ASIO, GSIF, DAE, and so on non-MS audio engines.

Mac OS X don't have massive junk at all. It based on Linux and we sure would need that technology for Win.
We even have a DAW with a name DYNA LINUX which now uses a fullblown multitrack software called Ardur with offcourse RME card. Now that Steinberg is sold there always might be a possibility that they would give us necessary librarys to implement VST to Linux platform.

kevlar

12-22-2002, 09:11 AM

you guys are absolutely smoking crack. i'll wait for shane to fin(n)ish thanks

diminished

12-22-2002, 05:16 PM

THANKS for the info SARKA.
LET me state something over here on this particular thread,it kind of bothered me.
WITH some of the replies,but again i am
not surprised by some attitudes.(ignorance comes to mind without a surprise to me at least from my side of the world,you should figure it out what i mean).
I did not want to express and get involved initialy in this thread.but now i am i guess.
EVERYONE jumps on to follow the ridicule just because someone did it.we(on this side of the isle were thought to be followers).meanwhile the rest have individual brains to think and decide for themselves instead of joining the rock throwing because someone else is doing it.I
know some will take it personal,but you got to deal with the reality.

NOW,coming down to the original reply by BRZILIAN,it was initialy unprofessional to put something down without knowing any facts.SO you get similar response.
He could have said with his reply(dont get me wrong)included something along those lines.may be he meant good,but the reply itself sounds like disrespect to the original post as it is.
JUST because we are like family in this forum,dosnt mean i have to be blind to certain people.Right is right,wrong is wrong.WE all do both.
I DONT know BRIZILIAN ,ANDREI or SARKA personaly or what have you.BUT,i go according to the individual's character by what they (represent)thru cyber communications.

SO,screw MICROSOFT,APPLE and alike,we need freedom of choice to go on with life.no controlers.
I think we should appriciate those who try to give us what we realy need.like a dedicated OS for daw in this case,wherever it comes from and however its accomplished.

AREN'T we tired of this ******* electronics engineering?and isn't it time to go back to creating music?the original purpose?

Michael Quayle

12-22-2002, 05:54 PM

Sorry. Remind me again of exactly what was so 'unprofessional' about brzilians post.

diminished

12-22-2002, 06:33 PM

ITS SIMPLE MICHAEL.
WHY do i need a car since i have a bicycle?
YOU figure it out.

the_lost

12-22-2002, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by diminished:
ITS SIMPLE MICHAEL.
WHY do i need a car since i have a bicycle?
YOU figure it out.

LOL! You know what Diminished? The more I read through these threads and get to know different peoples' intelligence level, sense of humor, and demeanors behind their nicks, I've come to finally realize something....

You Diminished, absolutely never make any sense to me! Sometimes it gives me a headache just reading one of your replies!

And one more thing... Why don't you do a quick search on some replies that Michael has contributed to this forum. You will soon realize that "he figured it out".

regards
jay

BTW. Diminished... Is that bike rackmount?..... hehe

the_lost

12-22-2002, 07:03 PM

I probably shouldn't have said that, heh?
He loves writing those jumbled comebacks....

[This message has been edited by the_lost (edited 12-22-2002).]

diminished

12-22-2002, 08:10 PM

THATS right LOST.
WHY DONT YOU FIND YOURSELF a teenager to dance with.AND remember,graffitti is a felony nowdays.just a reminder.
I WAS WONDERING,do you or some of you have anything positive to contribute.if not just shot the ****up and listen you might learn some manners or something in life.as some of us did while growing up.
its easy to piss in the wind,most teenagers like that.i am *******tired of hearing some of you cockroaches replying for the sake of it.some of you dont belong or deserve the company of any pro.but again we have to put up with it since we are behind computers.
it has nothing to do with the forum itself,its for everyone ofcourse,but its unfortunate we have to lower our levels with some that are not my or others style.

[This message has been edited by diminished (edited 12-22-2002).]

Michael Quayle

12-22-2002, 08:57 PM

Diminished,

I can understand why you are leaping to the defence of Andrei and SARKApro in such an emphatic and ruthless manner. It's because the three of you have something in common - English clearly isn't your first language.

It's been a while since I have been called a cockroach. Still, it IS Christmas I suppose so I should just ignore that comment. Whilst some of us here may be young, that's a sure sign that we aren't going senile yet. Maybe it's time for a checkup? Or a dictionary.

diminished

12-22-2002, 09:14 PM

HEY MICHAEL.
I SPEAK five languages moron.DO YOU AT LEAST SPEAK ONE?IF YOU WANT PROOF LETS MEET.
I HAVE MARBLES.DO YOU?
YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PICKING ON PEOPLE ABOUT SPELLING AND HAVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE,ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE,(THAT SHOWS YOUR CHRACHTER ALLRIGHT)YOU ARE AN AROGANT PUPPIE WHO THINKS ENGLISH IS EVERYTHING.BECAUSE LOOSERS DONT STICK TO THE SUBJECT AND HIDE BEHIND MOM.I AM REALY TIRED OF YOUR ATTITUDE.I,VE SEEN SOME OF YOUR REPLIES BEING ABSOLUTELY DISRESPECTFUL AND AROGANT TOWARDS A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER.THAT THERE,TOLD ME WHAT YOU ARE TO START WITH.
I AM SERIOUS I DO 5,DO YOU ONE?

IF you think this forum is for english learning,than you have been in the wrong forum all along.cockroach.

[This message has been edited by diminished (edited 12-22-2002).]

the_lost

12-22-2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by diminished:
.......IF YOU WANT PROOF LETS MEET.
I HAVE MARBLES.DO YOU?...........AN
AROGANT PUPPIE WHO........LOOSER...........DONT STICK..........BEHIND MOM.........
I AM SERIOUS I DO 5,DO YOU ONE?.................

Hey diminished... I have a friend who was REALLY into what you were just saying to michael!
http://buckaroos.homestead.com/barney.html

Good luck
jay

diminished

12-22-2002, 10:24 PM

LOST.
(I said find a teenager to dance with,remember?).
Tnx after all,showing yourself in person.

NGP31

12-23-2002, 08:34 AM

I just want to know a couple of things:

1. Dose it work well with DAWS?
2. If so, incomparison to the original OS, what would be the difference in normal operation on any workstation or DAW, with your product, than doing the tweak for the origenal? Better perfomance, more stable, less error stops and pop ups errors from things running in the back ground?
3. Is it compatable with Dual Processors setups and software, and Intels HT?

I mean give some brake-downs of how this strip-down ver. will make my workstation or DAW a less flustrating and more stable operation to use.

I beleave this is what the readers want too know. This imformation from you and people that uses these verions.

brzilian

12-23-2002, 12:27 PM

32 posts later and my question still is not answered - Why would I want this product when apparently the only real thing it does is dis-associate IE from XP which Service Pack 1 already does?

What benefit is a product like this when NT/2000/XP do not suffer from the System Resource limitations that plagued all DOS based OS's (95,98,ME)?

I thought you guys said 98Lite was the future of DAW computing and there was no need to use 2000,XP?

Did you all of a sudden see the light and admitt the error of your ways or just looking to make a few bucks off of another useless product?

kevlar

12-24-2002, 06:08 AM

i thought they thought ME was the best OS. please keep this thread going, it is insane holiday amusement, far better than the offerings on TV, although there does seem to be a similar amount of repeated bull****

GRAFITTI IS FELONY LOOSERS

donsaudio

12-24-2002, 08:59 AM

Isn't this some what a mute point now?
I mean, the current status of pc hardware is significantly greater than it was even a year ago. Motherboards can now handle massive amounts of memory. Cpu speeds are much faster.
The largest issue was os stablility and reliability. We do have a stable os with xp and 2000 already. People I am familiar with have been able to run an enormous number of tracks with effects, on a 'out of the box' xp install without the need for any tweaking.
True in the future, as software becomes more resource taxing (which I have no doubt it will), we will need something like an xplite to shave down the os a little. But let's not forget the hardware just keeps getting faster and faster......
Ofcourse we need to take into account the ever evolving dsp cards on the market which make the number of useable effects a lost topic.
My few cents,
Don

Fleghand

12-24-2002, 11:33 AM

I think that everyone is a silly goat. Before the age of turnips, we all had to eat carrots, but then again, only the young ones were able to survive. This is all due to incredible advances in digestion technology. I especially hate it when things with more than four legs start using their heads, it really makes for a lot of confusion. Not only that, but everytime someone bends down to pick up the soap, there's a loud crashing which really adds to the sonorous effects of my halls. And to add to that, there was this time that I didn't like the soda I was drinking, and I told everyone, and they thought that was really cool, and since I am a vegetarian, I will be having a traditional christmas lasagne, with lots of vegetables, and three different kinds cheese, and then I will be making the desert, which is a traditional Indian desert I learned to make there. And my friend Gabriel wants to have cranberry sauce with his lasagne, but I don't really think that cranberries and sauce go that well together, much less when you add three-cheese-extra-vegetable lasagne to it. Anyway, I just want everyone to get along this christmas and stop calling each other nasty things like, "graffiti", and "[This message has been edited by ________ (edited 12-22-2002).]"; and what is a "LOOSER", anyway? Is it someone who lets things go, maybe at inapropriate moments? Then that's a good insult, because it fits well, doesn't it? And did you ever stop to think about the turkeys? Huh? They have every right to celebrate Christmas, and here we are, getting together with OUR loved ones, OUR friends, OUR homes, and all the while, there's Clucky, sitting, stuffed, on a serving tray, while Grandpa cuts him up with a special knife made just for turkey carving. What about Clucky's loved ones?? What about CLUCKY'S friends? There they are, sitting down to a nice Christmas dinner of stuffed breadcrumbs, and... NO CLUCKY!!! Come one, people, get with the program. "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb", come on, it's right there in the "Good Book", and yet... ohh... thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not kill... thou shalt not.... arghhgmphhalllelulleyapraisethelordamenhoyeslawdwe lovesyahalaballulabalabalamallabahh!!!

Nick Driver

12-24-2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Fleghand:
I think that everyone is a silly goat.
<snip!>

Whatever it is that you've been eating/drinking/smoking/whatever... I think you should share it http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif

Merry Christmas everyone

Sonic Valley

12-24-2002, 01:56 PM

Silent night holy night
All is calm all is bright
Round yon virgin mother and child
Holy infant so tender and mild
Sleep in heavenly peace
Sleep in heavenly peace

Silent night holy night
Shepherds quake at the sight
Glories stream from Heaven afar
Heavenly ghosts sing Alleluia
Christ the saviour is born
Christ the saviour is born

Silent night holy night
Son of God love's pure light
Radiant beams from thy holy face
With the dawn of redeeming grace
Jesus Lord at thy birth
Jesus Lord at thy birth
Jesus Lord at thy birth

Sonic Valley

12-24-2002, 01:58 PM

New Stragey....during the holidays when things get intense...I'm gonna sing xmas tunes...lmao. Oh...Apricot Brandy is the best during holidays....

Andrei

12-24-2002, 06:05 PM

I would answer only for positive questions further on.
1. Will it work for all DAW?
Shure
2. MP support.
Shure (that's a thing whish is stored on your HAL during installation and have nothing to
do with modifications)
3. What will I benefit? maybe it's the same like I will tweak my OS just by disabling
services?
No, it's note. To speed up your win you have to desintegrate webservices from shell of your
OS and shell is IE - it's not enough just to swap it or disable something. Whatever you are
doing you will still run HTML engine on background. This is fatal for DOSwindows - that's
why 98lite was so necessary, it still true for NTfamily, even they are more stable by defoult
and so on.
What's also true, that hardware and soft had improve a lot recently and you have relatively
OK perfomance on untweaked version - but with what can you compare? yours superPC have
never run a lite version of2000-XP, you don't know what it can do. For other hand.
If you have reliable
audiodrivers for DOSwin (for instance if you are a happy Lynx owner) -you don't need NT
windows al all maybe.That's up to you. Generally speaking choice of OS depends only of
quality of your hardware drivers.(audio and very-important video. About video it's another
topic but it' the same important part of DAW,like audio).What you can see -that after install
of lite windows your task manager will show the same perfomance figures like on hardly
tweaked 2000-XP with all processes disabled. And you still have some tweaks in pocket.That
also show a quality of a background processes on your system.
Some people were very offensive here. It seems to be that they have nothing to say
- so just barking.
I would repeat once more - this thing is not for everybody, it's for profies and real
enthusiasts of a native DAWs. So, what's matter - do you need 200-XPlite or
where to get it? If you don't need why not to just passby this topic?
I am in hard situation also because I have seen how for instance XP look like in stripdown
version and nobody around here haven't seen it.So I have to discribe something which nobody
have seen. I can't say that you can have 100percent more plugs or tracks - but your jitter
problems may disappear just because you change a quality of processes that are running on background.
Also I understand all kind of problems which have respectable Shane - or somebody who will try
to do his own version of 2000-XPlite is faced. they are trying to create all-round user
friendly app - so you just click by mouse, reboot and you are done. Problem that you would have
a bunch of uncompatibility issues, not keeping in mind that 2000 and XP behave absolutely
different (even they look so similar). Consumer whant simplicity and don't care about detailes.
Here is a point why it's taking so long. We are not going to convince everybody to use
modified win - we are talking about truly exclusive and custom technology
here is answer to brz about XP SP1- it lets you to hide IE icon from desktop. If you think
that it's the same thing like uninstall it - so SP1 is key to all your problems.But let
somebody look for more.
Marry Christmass and Happy new Year.

brzilian

12-24-2002, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Andrei:

here is answer to brz about XP SP1- it lets you to hide IE icon from desktop. If you think
that it's the same thing like uninstall it - so SP1 is key to all your problems.But let
somebody look for more.

Yeah, I know that and I also know how much IE is part of the XP/2000 OS's so excuse me if I think your claims are flawed to say the least...

I still find it so amusing that someone changes his story completely to the point of contradicting himself in less than a year. Earlier in 2002, you were arguing with me why there was no need to use something like 2000/XP and that 98 with your 98Lite product was the way to go for DAW's. Now this...

Very amusing....

SarkaPRO

12-25-2002, 01:42 AM

brzilian:
You are reffering to a time where we didn't have a possibility to totally stripdown a 2000 and XP (ie. totally removed IE). Because of this Shanes MElite + our own tricks made it the fastest and the most stable OS ever. At that time it even overtook a 98lite in some cases.

Now today we have a directly comparable stripdown 2000lite and XPlite OSs against this MElite and the result is amazingly close.

SarkaPRO

12-25-2002, 02:12 AM

NGP31:
1. Dose it work well with DAWs ?
- It's compatible with every component and audio softwares. Not compatible with Office XP.

2. If so, incomparison to the original OS, what would be the difference in normal operation on any workstation or DAW, with your product, than doing the tweak for the origenal? Better perfomance, more stable, less error stops and pop ups errors from things running in the back ground?
- Shortly sed better perfomance, better latency, more resources, more stable OS, less errors, stops, pop ups and even less prosesses running in background.

3. Is it compatable with Dual Processors setups and software, and Intels HT ?
- WIN multiprocessing isn't so advanced
than in MAC and UNIX. MAC OS X is based on Unix Darwing. Stripdown 2000lite and XPlite multiprosessing is still the same and are depending on how this WIN app is written to use multiprocessing. Anyway you would have better performance regardless if it is single or multi.

Alan

12-25-2002, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by Andrei:

trying to do his own version of 2000-XPlite - so you just click by mouse, reboot and you are done. Problem that you would have
a bunch of uncompatibility issues, not keeping in mind that 2000 and XP behave absolutely
different Since they don't have an XP/2K lite,I downloaded the IEradicator and installed it with SP1 2K,then downloaded all SP2 related updates minus explorer updates.Incompatibility issues:NONE,Problems/crashes/freezups/reboots: NONE ,Differences in XP/2K:You bet,with as low as 1.5 ms with WDM and no extra weight and seemingly indentical memory handling and excellent disk performance I think I'll stick with 2K/IEradicator.Not to say that your not doing things in an even better way by removing more and being more thorough,I'm just wondering if it's even neccesary given my current configuration.

Alan

12-25-2002, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by SarkaPRO:
What ever you are doing with Windows its still no way to integrate professional quality audio to WINs Core which is possible in Linux and Mac OS X. So we still are married with ASIO, GSIF, DAE, and so on non-MS audio engines.

We even have a DAW with a name DYNA LINUX which now uses a fullblown multitrack software called Ardur with offcourse RME card.
This is where the credibility aspect goes flying out the window.Although I have a healthy respect for Linux and open source Audio apps like Ardor,they are so far from being ready for pro use it's almost laughable,not that it won't be,but is has miles to go.ASIO and WDM as you know bypass the OS and are direct communication drivers and is in no way "married" to the OS,is Linux based apps or even Mac based apps able to achieve 1.5ms only limited by CPU? Don't tell me I know.Apple has a different problem,their stuck with a 4 year old proccessor technology-wise and a disinterested Motorola,so although their OSX holds much promise,it aint totally there yet and their processor situation could be their undoing.Anyway,keep up the good work,I might be interested at some point,but keep your opinions of the current state of what's considered "Pro",either a bit more accurate or stick to what you do best.Cheers and a merry everything!

SarkaPRO

12-25-2002, 05:24 AM

Alan:
Our stripdown 2000 and XP doesn't have anything to do with pclite.coms softwares. We do not use any IEradicator. Read carefully the IEradicator documentation and you will see that its only compatible with WIN2000 SP1 but not SP2 and SP3. And it never have been able to complitely desintegrate IE from Shell. Saying simply you will still have a lot of junks after all. Concerning WIN2000 SP2 and SP3, IEradicator wont harm youre system but it is not doing anything its simply blocked by WIN file protection (SFC.EXE). Concering WINXP the IEradicator will totally make youre system malfunktion.
Our stripdown WIN2000 weights installed about 350MB and XP as installed 500MB. Compare this numbers.

WDM...
WDM is quite similar to ASIO. WDM Kernel Streaming technology is actually used by Sonar. It would be a small misstake to think that WDM drivers are integrated to WIN Kernel. Search in google about independent technical information.
Standard WDM audiodriver will give you about 30ms of latency. So to get lower than this you have to use Kernel Stream which is actually passbying WIN kernel like ASIO is doing it. So similar metods they are using. GSIF is also doing the same trick, as well as DAE (DigiDesign) and MASS (Motu).

Big names like RME, NUENDO-RME, LYNX STUDIO, and couple of more, the cards whos drivers are already good having ASIO 0,7ms latency
don't need to take care of WDM. They already achived 0,7ms latency long before WDM. This companys defenitly want to be as mouch as possible outside from MS.
Gess who invented WDM ?

Ardur...
What comes to Ardur. Its a multitracker like Sadie, CoolEdit, Minnetonka MxTrax, etc. Its not similar to WIN based VST host applications. You can link Ardur to MIDI sequencer. Ardur is using a driver protocoll ALSA which is similar, not to ASIO, but to MAX OS X core audio component. ALSA can be truly integrated in Linux Kernel !!
By it self it is mouch more advanced technology than any WIN based driversystem. We can say that MAC OS X and UNIX with ALSA are Real 21th Century Studio. This was one reason why Emagic stopped WIN development. They don't want to use stone age technology.

But we are married with Bill and as you sed we have to do our best to make WIN PC as fast
and realiable as possible.

TimZ

12-25-2002, 10:33 AM

A suggestion and some questions.

First, rather than all this bantering back and forth (which doesn't seem to be getting anywhere) Sarka/Andrei why don't you give brzilian a complementary copy of your software and let him test it out to see what improvments there are over XP and SP1. After all it is christmas http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif Brzilian could then post his findings back here. Seems like a very small price to pay, to get exposure to thousands of potential buyers. After all, what do you have to lose if the product provides the DAW improvements you are claiming it does. What we (as potential users) would want to hear back from brzilian is an HONEST detailed explanation as to how it enhanced his DAW performance (i.e. latency, no. of tracks, no. of plugs, etc.) If brzilian was to get signifcant DAW improvements, I think you would sell the product to many of us here. Myself, I'm skepical of any significant improvments, and there is no way I would jump into something like this without first hand testimonials.

Now some of my questions:

1) What does it cost?

2) Does it load over top of XP, or is a clean install o/s all in its own?

3) What exactly does it remove from XP, other than IE and Outlook? Because I kind of agree with brzilian as I have XP and SP1 and have disassociated IE and outlook in the Computer Management facilities.

Cheers

TZ

P.S. I was basically serious above when I said "are they selling something". I had no idea what you guys were talking about by the first few posts, and I am a professional. http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif You guys would be wise to get someone who speaks/writes english well to do your marketing.

[This message has been edited by TimZ (edited 12-25-2002).]

diminished

12-25-2002, 06:08 PM

ABSOLUTE agreement with TIMZ.AND thanks for the proffessionaly put questions
and sudjestions TIM.
THE point,whatever or however it takes a dedicated OS specificaly for daw.no matter who ever comes out with it,where ever from.
AND,it remains to be seen as always.

Andrei

12-26-2002, 02:40 PM

Specially for Tim_z!
With own pleasure we will send a free copy to brz after he will get
a free copy of Nuendo2 from St-g like a Christmas gift - so he can
see all enhancements which they claim it has. But somehow I believe
that he will honestly report that he hasn't notice any difference between
our system and normal. I just know him long time by this forum.
It's about the same like to ask a vegetarian to write review about
new sousagebrand.
I can see that you didn't relly read any of owr posts
because of your questions - in fact they are answered already.
But well, here you are.
1.Price - TBM
2. Look our FAQ above - CLEAN INSTALLATION REQUIRED!
3. Look previous post as well - IE, OE, netmtg, messanger, some unnecessary
network extensions.
About lanquage... Well, it's not the best, but like producer and performer
I am working a lot with american artists and in fact have never experienced
communication problems. It 's just about are you willing to understand other people
or not. Somehow I believe that you don't understand a topic by itself. Don't get angry,
please and read further on. What make me think so:
1.It was adressed for people who is waiting for this kind of tools. If you think that
you don't need it - it's not for you.
2. If problem that it's coming not from well established brand like litepc -
so what you are waiting for from Shane's software? It will do the same job, maybe
better, who knows,but it's all about the same target - webdesintegration.
Why I think that you simply don't understand a point here - your claim that you
"desintegrate" IE-OE from your MMC(after SP1).if it's not a joke, it means that
you can't realise a difference between icon and application. Whant to check yourself
- go to com.prompt and type Iexplore.exe or click on any HTML file You will see
your old buddy IE which you just "desintegrated".So it's better to save some scepticism
to MS which is fulling you and ignore in fact all antitrust court decisions.
Uninstallation means that you don't have this software in fact- and it's not just
a browser - it's a huge HTMLengine which runs on backrground permanently. OE as well
have to be removed with all messanging service. Again you didn't read previous threads
-otherwise you would not ignore fact that stripdown version differ from normal at about
200mb - that's not only weight of IE-OEetc - in fact you remove huge amount of .dlls
and .exes which you never suspect do exist and absolutely obsolete or even dangerous.
And they conciderably slowdown your PC as well - in fact read all threads around about
clicks, popups, audiodropouts ets. Some of this problems related to simple hidden driver
conflicts (and driver is not necessary your hardware, as I believe you know) which are also
running on background. You remember famous tweak - give priority to background services
or apps. Just figure out what this "background services" mean. So it's better to pay attention
to that factor, before you discuss motherboard's or chipset's problems which are the main
"hot topics" on this kind of forums.
I hope you red this texp up to end. If so, thank's for your patitience and have a nice

holydays (and for everybody, who is reading this)
With a respect, Andrei

SarkaPRO

12-27-2002, 12:07 PM

Desintegrated IE vs. integrated IE !!!

As Andre pointed out if you shoose the MS trick trying to remove IE from youre XP. Youre wrong! The MS own option will only
hide the ICON not remove the IE. The complite program with all the extensions is still running on youre background as soon as you boot to Graphical User Interface (GUI) = Windows.

Are you sure youre IE is totally removed from youre XP. Want to check yourself, -go to RUN and type in the column iexplore.exe. Can it find this file or not ???
If it can you haven't removed youre IE from youre WIN !!!

If you would have a HTML file on youre hard-drive and would have a totally desintegrated IE youre WIN should report open with unknown application (without any third party brower installed).

Do you have a desintegrated IE or integrated IE ???