No more Emagic for Windows

[Alan]

I don't use Samplitude but this is pretty big news concerning Samplitude users and Logic users on the Windows side. www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html (http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html) Hopefully they have another buyer for Samplitude,but Logic/Windows users may not fare so well.The jist of the Apple buy out is this "Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002".


[This message has been edited by Alan (edited 07-01-2002).]

[KenRutkowski]

Holy **** - we're toast now for sure. And I was one of the believers.

I guess there's always a chance that someone else will pick us up, but all this jumping is making me sea sick.

Ken Rutkowski
Loyal Samplitude User
www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)


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[CrimsonWarlock]

Ken,

As you know I was looking to purchase Samplitude when it was sold to Emagic. I choose to sit it out and it seems for the better. It seems that this move by Apple has a lot to do with competing with the PC platform for audio applications. I don't think Apple is going to put up technology (like Samplitude) for sale. I even suspect that the aquisition of Samplitude by Emagic has a lot to do with what's happening now (especially as Emagic only gave announcements on Samp on their website but nothing was happening). Samplitude is one of the few applications that make the PC a viable platform for recording, so I'm afraid they aim to kill two birds with one stone.

I just hope Magix has a way out of this and regain hold of the Samplitude development and distribution rights.

Peter.

[jdechant]

and Samplitude v6.5 was on the way to the stores... litteraly... just before the newsgroup went down Volker posted a message saying that Samp v6.5 was completed and on the way to the retailers and should hit the shelves in about a week...

on another note the local European Federal Agencies already started and investigation into the discontinuing of the PC line... but then again since 65% of emagics revenue is from MAC users, they probably will find nothing wrong with the move.

[midlandmorgan]

legally, I guess this is a valid move on eMagic's part...Ethically, its a different story. They scarf up the only viable option to Mac-based software, Samplitude, and then discontinue any relationship with PC users...Seems that the good people in Emagic were on to something long before the rest of us...smacks of insider trading to me...

Anyway - it seems to have been the perfect crime: bury it, and then bury the shovel...

ProTools, anyone? They seem to be interested in us XP users....

[KenRutkowski]

Here is a quote from someone - as all of you know - most decidedly "in the know" about Samplitude...

______________________________
Tilman is away, but here is what the ultimate coder (Titus) has to say :

> About emagic:
> We here in Dresden are also surprised about this news, but
> this explains some delays on emagic's side in the last weeks.
> But I started development of Samplitude on my Amiga 2000 in
> eastern Germany 1990, I changed the code to running under windows
> 3.11 on christmas 1993. We have changed the distribution for
> my babies sometimes, and also this new fact will not stop the
> development of Samplitude and Sequoia. We were not bought out
> by emagic and/or Apple, all developers are still here in
> Dresden and are doing good work. Don't panic :-)
>
> Titus Tost
> SVP Development
> MAGIX Development GmbH

__________________________

I'm not breathing a big sigh of relief yet, but at least there's a ray of hope. Let's cross our fingers and support Titus any way we can.

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[CrimsonWarlock]

Ken,

Not cheering yet too, but hoping for the best. Seems that what I said in my other post here is going to happen: "I just hope Magix has a way out of this and regain hold of the Samplitude development and distribution rights".

This might turn for the better for Samplitude. I didn't see any good coming from the Samplitude move to Emagic.

I'm glad to see that Titus still has Magix in his signature http://www.audioforums.com/forums/wink.gif

Peter.

[martin armsby]

Thanks Ken - that is a relief -

Maybe the good news is tht we won't be dongled after all ! - At least not with the Xkey

cheers

Martin

[KenRutkowski]

Strange that, although not certain by any means, this could actually turn out to be a GOOD thing...

I guess we wait with baited breath and hope for the best, helping any way we can.

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[Tim Z]

WOW!! Just read all the info this morning and I am shocked!!!

Ken, is there anything we (as users) can do to help Magix out? I just moved to Samplitude and, like everyone else here, LOVE IT. I don't want to go searching again.

From a business point of view, I can't believe going fully Mac based is a smart move. Surely the market for PC use is growing much faster than Mac based. Are they willing to cut that whole PC community out of their potential clientelle? I doubt many current PC users will move over to Apple because of this. In fact it has me now hating Apple and Emagic.

Tim

[KenRutkowski]

Tim - I'm with you, sister friend. There's no way I'm moving from Samplitude unless my back is completely up against a wall. The program jumps through hoops for me. I think Volker and friends are geniuses.

You're asking me about things that I have strong opinions on, but no concrete knowledge. I absolutely agree that switching from PC to Mac will not be a common nor a worthwhile proposition.

I don't know how we can help Magix or Volker, or Titus et al, but I'd say just keep reading and we'll see if the experts have any suggestions.


Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[Robert D]

Well, that's a fine kettle of fish. Count me as one who will do anything I can to help Samplitude stay alive. There is no other software I care two licks about, and I find it rather strange to feel so strongly about a software program, but I do.
As for Apple, I now officially hate them. I feel for all the PC Logic users who just got s$#t on by them. Could this have been a hostile takeover?
Well, my big question now is what happens to the Samplitude/Logic Control integration? Probably safe to say that's dead. I was so close to bliss! And what about latency compensation? VST? VSTI? Is all that code going into the shredder?
Sincearly PO'd, RD

[samdev]

As you the message took us by surprise. Currently MAGIX is investigating how much the deals with Emagic about the
distribution of Samplitude and Sequoia are affected by the new situation.

But even in the worst case of losing Emagic as distribution partner both programs still belong to MAGIX and are completely developed here in Dresden. Neither Emagic nor
Apple own any part of it. And we've got the best software versions ever ready for takeoff with Sequoia 6.0 and the new 6.5 Samplitude Pro Beta and don't intend to let them fall down.

>And what about latency compensation? VST? >VSTI? Is all that code going into the >shredder?

No, shouldn't be. Already working in
SamPro Beta version.

Regards,
Volker

[Tim Z]

Thanks VERY MUCH Volker for coming in here to keep us advised. If there is anything we can do to help please post here to let us know. We're behind you http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif

Tim

[KenRutkowski]

Yes, Volker - THANK YOU! I agree with everything said by Tim.

Please call on us if there's anything we can help with.

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[Robert D]

Thanks Volker, I feel my blood pressure going down a little already. As a TC Powercore user the latency comp is highly anticipated. What about the Logic Control interface? Jeez, I almost bought one the other day. Any chance Imagic, or Emacic might let that stand?
Best regards to you and the rest of the Samp Camp, RD

[midlandmorgan]

Volker...your news made me cancel my cardiologist's appointment (thought I was gonna have a heart attack this morning!) Anyway, hang in there! Y'all have made a truly remarkable product, and speaking from my point of view, I'll help anyway I can to keep this thing going...

Ken Morgan
dba WireLine Studio
Midland, Texas

[David Lewiston]

<coming up for air>

So this is our new home?

I thought that Martin Ucik hosted our NG, so it would be impervious to nasty shocks like this.

Glad to see that the developers have already found their way over here.

Tilman, Samdev, Norman: I'm sure that all of your local Sampl users wish you all the best in sorting out thd distribution situation. And we certainly look forward to seeing the update.

Best wishes & salutations, David L

[KenRutkowski]

I've heard that the problem with the newsgroup was unrelated, so let's all keep checking back.

I, like many of us, assumed they were connected.

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[Tekker]

So what's gonna happen with Samp's Logic Control support? Out the window? http://www.audioforums.com/forums/frown.gif

-tkr

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[Ken Fordyce]

You guys can count me in also! Anything mirror sound studios, seattle, mirrorsound.com can do to help, I'll do! I've taught alot of people all about the wonders of Samplitude (Better than Pro Tools, on a host based PC, what more can you ask for?) and to see it all vaporize would be a tradgedy. I'll tell you something else, I'll be in LA for AES this year (hope to see some of you guys there) and when I get
ahold of whomever at Emagic, I'm gonna rip them a new...well you know I mean! This kind of deceit in our industry is absurd and I'm gonna raise hell to their faces, I promise you that!

Originally posted by Robert D:
Well, that's a fine kettle of fish. Count me as one who will do anything I can to help Samplitude stay alive. There is no other software I care two licks about, and I find it rather strange to feel so strongly about a software program, but I do.
As for Apple, I now officially hate them. I feel for all the PC Logic users who just got s$#t on by them. Could this have been a hostile takeover?
Well, my big question now is what happens to the Samplitude/Logic Control integration? Probably safe to say that's dead. I was so close to bliss! And what about latency compensation? VST? VSTI? Is all that code going into the shredder?
Sincearly PO'd, RD

[peripatitis]

I've noticed that Titus mentioned the move from the amiga platform to windows ,could this mean that perhaps they concider moving to mac os?

[knowdoubt]

Originally posted by peripatitis:
I've noticed that Titus mentioned the move from the amiga platform to windows ,could this mean that perhaps they concider moving to mac os?

That line stuck out like a sore thumb to me also. As much as I like Samplitude, I won't move to a Mac in order to use it. Fine & good if it gets ported to a Mac in addition to the PC platform but if it's forced to drop the PC it will be dropping me. Of course I'll be happy using my v6.04 as long as it can fulfill my needs. I guess a lot depends on the fine print of the 'Emagic/Magix' deal. One thing for sure is you'll have a hard time convincing me this deal wasn't well in the making & known of by Emagic exec's before they struck the distribution deal with Magix.

Apple's motive here seems obvious enough & I think it has as much to do with buying new MAC customers as it has to do with selling software. I would imagine they've calculated a certain percentage of loyal Logic users on the PC will make the investment to switch to Mac in order to keep up with development of a program they've invested much time in learning & grown comfortable with.


Volker, thanks & please return with whatever further development nfo as things unfold. You will be well received by everyone here I'm sure, no matter what the nfo (good, bad, & ugly).




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[KenRutkowski]

I didn't take it as foretelling a switch to Mac at all. I think Titus was just saying, in effect, "This is MY damn baby, I started it a hundred years ago on a freakin' Amiga 2000, and NOBODY is taking it away from me."

And rightly so.

Rock on, Titus.

As to the emagic deal - I'm with you. I think it was all in the works the whole time. Dirty bastards.

And again... Rock on, Titus.

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[KenRutkowski]

Check it out.

Blood pressure just fell another twenty-five points.

www.samplitude.com (http://www.samplitude.com) (english)

www.samplitude.de (http://www.samplitude.de) (deutsch)

Ken Rutkowski www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com (http://www.OuterLimitRecordingStudio.com)

[Major Audiot]

This is really ridiculous...

"... All other announcements, as for example, messages of the assumption that MAGIX development of the Samplitude and Sequoia product line were taken over by E-magic, are rumors and hearsay ..."

Unless I've missed something here... Did it take them THIS LONG to officially comment THAT!? As I recall, we (or I actually) had a freaking war over here - bitching out loud, specifically about that. But no one knew for sure - only guesses from a few "users", but nothing from the companies. **** ! I even had these "troopers", Andreas and Peter Alexander, pointing fingers at me, teaching me "manners".

... MAGIX signed a distribution agreement with the company, E-magic, for the world-wide distribution of Samplitude and Sequoia at the 2002 Music Messe....

This one really blows my mind! They signed an agreement, and DID NOT KNOW about what was coming??? Bull****! Don't try to tell me that "selling company shares" is something that is planned and carried out over night!

This is plain and simple... both Magix and Emagic screwed up. But mostly Emagic, because they treated Samplitude users disrespectfully!

Although, I sense better times ahead, after reading Titus Tost's statement above... (Thanks, Ken)

Major Audiot

http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/server-smilies/cwm/3dlil/puke.gif @ Emagic

[jdechant]

Originally posted by Major Audiot:
This is really ridiculous...

"... All other announcements, as for example, messages of the assumption that MAGIX development of the Samplitude and Sequoia product line were taken over by E-magic, are rumors and hearsay ..."

Unless I've missed something here... Did it take them THIS LONG to officially comment THAT!? As I recall, we (or I actually) had a freaking war over here - bitching out loud, specifically about that. But no one knew for sure - only guesses from a few "users", but nothing from the companies. **** ! I even had these "troopers", Andreas and Peter Alexander, pointing fingers at me, teaching me "manners".

I'm afraid you have missed something here... from the very beginning of the Emagic taking over distribution, Volker and the rest of the samdev team (the fellas that have been developing this thing for years) were very forward about saying that Emagic would not be dealing with any of the development, just the distribution and that the same samdev team that did it for Magix is still doing it and will be continuing to do so in the future...

I think I tried to tell u fellas that some time back, but I guess either a) you did not believe me and/or did not have access to the newsgroup or b) I am the only one who can freaking read.

If you don't beleive me, then go over the newsgroup archive from a little before the deal with Emagic until now, and you will find a good number of posts from those on the samdev team relating to emagic having nothing to do with the development.

[Major Audiot]

Well...

Since you're absolutely not "the only one who can freaking read" - it cannot be B (no pun). Right?

As for "A" - Who are YOU? I mean, since I should have believed YOU... For all I care, you could have been one of those who "just guessed" what was going on, and what wasn't. I know I did!

I never really lit enough fire under my butt to - frequently - check out the "newsgroup" at the time. I still don't. (But I did check E-crapic's site from time to time). So, sue me!

Peace!

Major Audiot

http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/contrib/tweetz/moon.gif @ Emagic

[midlandmorgan]

I don't know much, but I do know that Major not only makes the best skins, his little critters are absolutely hilarious!!!!

[Robert D]

Yes, and he saved his best "skin" for emagic. *LMAO*

But yes, it has been clear, well as clear as this sort of thing tends to be, that emagics role was as a distributor, marketing channel, and as development direction partner, but that the actual development team would not change. But hey, let's not get ourselves worked up here. Time to look forward, while passing an obnoxious cloud of gas behind us for Apple and Emagic.
RD

[Ken Fordyce]

Major !
You're killing me!
The guy's right ....you're creatures are blowing me away. A bit of humorus E magic Trashing is definitly in order here. Keep it up dude!
Ken Fordyce

[knowdoubt]

I thought it was pretty clear that 'Imagics' main roll was as distributor & the only part they had in development was to have the final say 'yeh' or 'neh' as to what features & look would be allowed (which is interference enough).

'Major', I don't visit the newsgroup often either, I find newsgroup communication a bit slow & cumbersome not to mention not near as entertaining as your critters.


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[knowdoubt]

http://www.steinberg.net/the_magic_of_sx/index.phtml?sid=07969415

Steinberg has wasted no time getting around to putting a bid in to the discarded Emagic PC group. That's pretty on the ball.

I suggest Magix & Sampdev get on the ball & get that v6.5 with ASIO & Vsti ready to ship as soon as possible & make a similar offer.

[Major Audiot]

Thanks, dudes! http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif

But, as you all probably know, the "critters" aren't really a creation of my own... these are "ordinary" smilies from a certain site (see below) that can be used/borrowed on most Bulletin Boards in cyber space. You just use the UBB-code's "img" tag to attach the smilies to your message/post.

The smilies home page: http://www.smilecwm.com/

Now, be careful when using such smilies and don't splatter your posts totally.

Major Audiot

http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/server-smilies/otn/funny/moon.gif @ Emagic


PS. BTW... I, too, understood that Emagic's role was to be the "distributor" of Samplitude. And I also understood that they had more decision making power than distributors in particular usually have...

What I meant, and what was most annoying, was that the lack of OFFICIAL statements seemed to be HUGE! How long didn't it take for Emagic to even print a single sentence about it??? To me OFFICIAL statements are those from the companies (news) home pages - rather Bulletin Boards and (system-wise) antiquated "news groups" - which, in my opinion, should be used only for sharing tips, techniques etc. - and of course, bitching http://www.audioforums.com/forums/wink.gif

Peace!




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[diminished]

i fully agree with major,not just because of his skins. but anyone dont know whats going on than u guys must be stupid or in a dreamworld.
why would a corp like magix with graet software give their so called distribution to a competitor like emagix?dosnt make sense anyway its a game i think magix and emagic somehow are related because their multitrack delux6 looks exactly like logic,wheres that coming from?figure it out.
its $$$ games . i knew samp was dead the day we heard the news about the distribution mumbo jumbo.dont get me wrong i love samp its the only software i fell in love with and still am.as i said the champ was bought out for some reason unfortunutely.
but i can tell u something for sure and always said it screw mac and emagic i've never missed them and never will.

you know i am sorry to say this but i cant help but seeing some guys in this forum
living in a ******* disney world.


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[diminished]

hey,sometimes u have to trust your instinct.
you'll never be sorry.
well i should say always trust your instinct.

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[Immanuel]

This is taken from the Emagic site May 17 2002:

"Emagic is developing Sequoia further in cooperation with the developers of the Magix AG and in permanent dialog with the broadcasting industries – among them BBC, WDR and MDR. The support of Logic Control will be part of the further development of Sequoia."

The third word is DEVELOPING

Immanuel

[Joe Hannigan]

Hello all;

Just let me take this bit of your time to say hello to one and all; I'm a long-time Samplitude user from Philadelphia, PA, and now that I've found this group, I plan to stick around, read what everyone has to say, learn a few things, and add some bits of info of my own where I can.

As a bit of humor, I just want to tell you what finally motivated me to find this list and start posting: a strange and startling Adv in this month's EQ magazine featuring "EMAGIC and Samplitude" in the same ad. After nearly doing a spit-take, I figured I had to investigate this, esp coming on the heels of the Apple buyout. (I was more than a bit suspicious, and quite upset at what everyone else had supposed might happened.)

Fortunately, my suspicions were correct: Whatever preceeded the agreement, MAGIX was conned or duped into a distribution deal with a company that was just about to be bought out by Apple (Ugh!) in an obvious move to hurt the PC music software market. Regardless of who-knew-what-when, I'm glad to read the good guys (Titus, et al) at MAGIX will hold on their (and OUR) baby and keep it alive and well.

In closing for now, just let me state that I've been a loyal, die-hard Samplitude user (including the earliest versions of Red Roaster) since my early PC/CD burning/mastering days back in the early 90's, and I'll probably get OUT of the business before I switch to anything else. They'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead, CPU before I'll go to a MAC (shudder) or the Evil Empire of Pro Tools. <GGG>

Thank you all for being here, and members of the best kept (not-so) secret club in the world: SAMPLITUDE USERS.

Nice to meet you all, & please keep posting!

[HeatherBiblow]

Hi Joe,

the Sam newsgroup is also a fine place to go. Lots of users, developers and beta testers. You can find the link at www.samplitude.com (http://www.samplitude.com)

[Major Audiot]

Let me - the "nuisance" of this group - welcome you to this forum as well. I hope you'll find it as useful as I do, and that you'll have a good time. Even though a few "hard words" here and there, you're gonna love it here - I promise you that.

Two main rules:

1. Volker is God!

2. Don't whine (that's my job! http://www.audioforums.com/forums/wink.gif)

http://www.audioforums.com/forums/wink.gif!!! (For those of you who "know who you are": I was just joking, OK?)

Major Audiot

[Tim Z]

Hey, I love a fine whine, but in moderation http://www.audioforums.com/forums/smile.gif

T

[WireLine]

I'm not wwwwwhhhhiiiiiinnnnnnnniiiiiinnnnnngggg http://www.audioforums.com/forums/wink.gif

but it sure seems the smoke has started to clear a bit regarding the eMajerk situation...

Now if we can survive the new Digi002, we should all be just fine

[Joe Hannigan]

Thanks for the warm welcome!

I've read a few older responses to get a feel for who's who, and it's obvious I'm in good company. (Interesting crowd! :-)

It's VERY comforting to know there are so many other dedicated Samplitude users out there; I've felt like a voice in the widlerness at times here. I can't imagine using anything BUT Samplitude for the kind of work I do.

Great to meet you all!

[knightfly]

Hey guise, 'nother newbie here - I too thought I must have been the only one Titus wrote Samp for, been using it since V4.something - I certainly hope Titus can keep the rotten apple at bay - I was all ready to burn Apple in effigy, then I realized they're probably in Cupertino...

Does anybody know yet just WHO we're supposed to get 6.5 from, and when?

Great group here, I hope there's room for another smart-ass - Oh well, I'm here anyway... Steve

[diminished]

welcome newbies but goodies lol.no realy welcome guys its glad to have more samp users.
to tell you the truth,i have used or demoed almost every software that comes to mind eccept dp.imo,theres nothing can touch or compare with samplitute in general.infact i can tell the difference in audio quality,may be its cos i love the damn software and may be infact it is.i have to trust my ears.you just cant ignore samplitude period and i use the v6 samp.look at the mixer for example, it reminds you that you are in a studio among other good thing such as,ease of use,gui etc. etc.

[Joe Hannigan]

It's really great to see so many folks who are sold on Samplitude. (And I thought I was all alone out here! :-) It seems we all have that much in common: we're fanatics about it, and don't even want to consider anything else.

Quite honestly, I would go crazy working on anything else at this point, it's only limits seem to be the host system, and those are getting cheaper all the time. What one can do with a P3-4 laptop and Samlitude 6.x is just staggering, and unthinkable just a few years ago.

I have tried a few other things from time to time, (SoundForge, DART, SAW, SADIE, etc.) and I seem to come up with limitations, missing features and "Cant-do's" almost immediately. Anytime I show Samplitude to other serious editors and engineers, they end up as converts.

The free online demo of 6.0 was a major hit with a lot of folks who were skeptical at first; once I pointed them to the download, they tried it and loved it. A professional aquaintance of mine has not stopped raving about Sam6.5, esp since their company recently spent many times that on a Turnkey SADIE system that is just junk by comparison, with all kinds of SCSI limitations.....poor thing! (SADIE makes you buy their plug-ins separately!)
Dunno if it's good or bad, but I find it's one of the best kept secrets in the audio biz. I laugh and laugh and laugh to myself whenever I see another Pro Tools upgrade being pushed to the masses, or another $2,000 DSP farm card. EVen the plugs ins (esp noise reduction) for Samplitude blow away some stand-alone plug-ins that sell for twice the cost of Sam6.5 alone. Just amazing.
Ok, I'll stop the cheerleading, for now....

[diminished]

hi JOE,what os are you running the samp on?have you nailed the whole samp software down? i might have some questions that i might need if its the case.cos i just turned an xp user.
oh btw,any idea about the cpu load?when i open a vip its 0-3% load.and when i open the same vip again its 80-120% cpu load.this is the case with all vips.i have 23 tracks of wave stereo.and can u turn a track or all tracks phisicaly to mono after its imported ?i know about the buffers etc.

*p4 2.53ghz
*mobo intel d845ebt(with raid)
*2x80gig hd 7200rpm(on raid)
*dvd-r (ide)
*dvd-rom(ide)
*win XP home