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sabianq
08-30-2007, 10:43 AM
hi,
This is a very frequently asked question here on audioforums, what is the best sound card to get?

well, as i am sure you have all heard, the answer to that question is, a question.
what are you going to be using it for.

i wanted to start a thread that could answer that basic question and give some information to people who are looking for a solution that works best for them.

so lets get going,
by answering the question below, you will be able to narrow your search down to some choices that will serve you well.
I am not affiliated with any manufacture so my opinions are only biased to the point that i know what i like personally.

i will leave this thread open to anyone who would like to add to the knowledge database.

question 1:
what will you be using the audio interface for?

for recording? continue to section one.
for gaming? continue to section 2
for audio and movie play back? continue to section 3
for listing to Youtube and other computer streaming media? goto section 4


Section 1
recording sound cards now come in 4 varieties, well actually there are only two varieties with different options.

lets go over the strengths and weaknesses of each one.

first lets start with the original hardware format. most people think of this when they think of a sound card.
it is usually a PCI based type of hardware that looks like a circuit board that fits into the PCI slot of your computers motherboard.
http://oneapiprod.synnex.com/image_technote/I80133027.jpg
this board had a integrated chip that is called an A/D or analogue to digital converter. it also has a chip that also converts digital information into analogue information so your speaker can turn it into sound for your ear.
in general, on low end cards, the A/D and D/A are integrated into one chip on board. the older sound cards are what is called Half Duplex which means that they can only play or record but cannot actually do both.

as time came, sound cards became more sophisticated and eventually evolved into what is called "full duplex" which means that they could record and play at the same time.

these types of "sound cards are still in use today and the technology is such that they have evolved into some of the most sophisticated pieces of high end equipment one can buy.

however, some of the less expensive ones still use inferior A/D and D/A engines and are not shielded and are susceptible to the noise generated by the electrical parts of the inside of your computer box. while there are great quality cards on the market, it is usually not advised to the serious home recording hobbiest to purchase this type of sound interface.

so what should one look for in a Recording quality interface?

PCI, Firewire or USB?


http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/FA66-large.jpg
this interface is what is called a "break out" box, which means that the A/D and D/A engine is located in the box. all of the math that gos on to change your analogue stream into a digital stream and vice versa is done inside of this box away from the electrical noise of your computer. then the digital signal is sent via cable to an input in your computer. either a USB, Firewire or a dedicated PCI card made to couple this box to your computer.

the old and high end interface boxed used a PCI card in a PCI slot as a way to transfer the digital data.

like this system
http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/MOTU_2408Mk3_4.jpg
one big dis advantage to running a system like this is that fact that it is hard to fit a PCI card into a laptop computer.

as time went on, manufactures created a way to take advantage of USB and Firewire ports and the firewire connection became very popular, very fast. with its high transfer rates, it was a very convient way to send and receive audio data. most manufactures support interfaces that work with firewire.

and a great advantage of using firewire is that fact that a laptop can utilize the interface making the mobile, multi channel, high quality recording system within reach of the average consumer.

http://www.musicmag.ru/info/proaudio/hard_news_images/audiofire2_both_big.jpg

so you need to ask yourself, what kind of interface do you want, PCI, USB or firewire.

next,

if you are thinking about doing a streaming audio radio show, or if you just want to make a stereo recording of a final mix from an analogue source, then you can get away with using an interface box with only a couple of inputs like this.
how many inputs do you need?
will you be tracking all the instruments of a 20 piece orchestra?
or do you just want to make high quality stereo recordings.

there are a number of options at your disposal.
it basically comes down to how much you want to spend.
the better the interface, the more it will cost.
the more inputs you want on your interface, the more it will cost.

some of the best interfaces for the money are made by a couple of different companies.
MOTU and ECHO comes to mind
http://www.motu.com/
http://www.echoaudio.com/
when it comes down to quality for price.

for 500 bucks you can get yourself a fantastic little 8 channel interface that will meet your needs for some time to come.

if you want to spend more money, then look to Apogee and RME

these companies i listed above use top of the line converters and do not skimp on quality. the interfaces are well built and will last in the field.
im sure others will chime in as for their preferences and check out the reviews for other opinions on interfaces.

sabianq
08-30-2007, 10:44 AM
gaming cards.
Gaming cards have historically come from the same bin as recording cards, but as the future became the present, that has all changed.
in general, a gaming card like the creative line of cards are for all intense and purposes designed for gaming and not for recording. in general, the manufactures have put emphasis on the D/A (digital to analogue) part of the chip and left the A/D chip a rudimentary shadow of a real A/D (what do you mean i'm not a real A/D?) we in the recording world really don't consider the A/D that go into gaming sound cards worth very much, in general, they lack shielding and are bad at math giving the card the distinct ability to pick up and hear the very inner working of the computer they reside in. Which is not a trait that anybody who wants to make a high resolution recording wants.

i am not saying that gaming cards should be poo poo'ed, i'm just suggesting that you don't want to use a screwdriver to dig a garden, while it can be done and that screwdriver can be very expensive, there are better tools for digging up a garden.

at the same time if you are interested in gaming and have no interest in recording, a shovel isn't the tool to use to remove a screw. while some of these interfaces above would work great in producing some stunning multi channel effects, it would take some serious configuration to get it to work while there are ready made "out of the box" gaming sound cards that would make your life way easier and cheaper.

this forums is not really dedicated to gaming, but the reason i did add this section to this thread is because well, games have audio and some people think a sound card is a sound card. i am hoping to dispel that notion.

in the gaming world, these cards seem to be well liked
Turtle Beach's Riviera 5.1 - ~$30
M-Audio's Revolution 5.1 - ~$100
Auzentech's X-Plosion - ~$100
and Chaintech's AV-710. - ~$20

and the gaming community also seem to think that creative cards are also a joke.


line level signals, amplifiers and drivers are part of the connection, however i do intend to cover them in a different section.

if your more interested in gaming cards, i suggest Googling "Gaming sound cards"

sabianq
08-30-2007, 10:44 AM
so you want to listen to high resolution recordings, there are audio interfaces that also are dedicated to audio play back
The Indigo DJ Audio Playback Card
http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/images/echo/ec_indigo_dj.jpg

this is a 4 channel D/A, it has no recording capability, but can play back very high quality recordings.
and this card being 4 channels, has the ability to "solo" another recording for cueing without the need for two sound cards.

now, there is a mis understanding about audio play back.
while it is true that a better A/D will make a lower resolution wave file sound a bit better, you cant take a 16 bit recording and up convert it to 24 bit and expect to head a great difference. you need to have an original 24 bit recording to play back with a 24 bit engine to get the full sound and depth of a 24 bit recording.
a 24 bit engine wont magically make a compact disk sound like it is live.

but a dedicated sound card for play back will make DSD (direct stream) and high resolution recordings come alive

most higher end sound cards have top quality D/A engines inside of the architecture. Any of the cards listed above 2 sections would be great for you just want to listen to music.

sabianq
08-30-2007, 10:45 AM
if you are not a an artist who wants to make music or interested in playing the latest games short of soduko or hearts or solitar, or an audiophile, and you just want to use SAS or other Data engines for number crunching but would like the ability to listen to the streaming audio programs that some of the people here want to make with their high end interfaces, then there really is no need to go out and spend any money on a hi-end "sound card" the internal soundcard that came with your computer is more than adequate. you may want to look at some of the suggestions listed here on these forums for a nice set of headphones and just plug them into the little green hole on the back of your computer or laptop.

sabianq
08-30-2007, 10:46 AM
(i moved this over and double posted it as per request by audiodude)

dave310
06-12-2008, 01:59 AM
Good info guy thanks

Manguiko
10-01-2008, 07:34 PM
If I use a USB audio interface to digitize some sounds, including voice, and send that into the laptop, which in turn will be playing a software sequence, or an MP3 while I monitor via earphones to sing, do external sounds (digitized by USB interface) AND internal sounds (playing inside laptop) result in synchronized recording, using say Audacity? I am using an XP laptop PLUS I want to continue using my Audigy 2Zs sound card.

Also, in my XP Audigy-mixer, will I get a separate sound source to represent the USB audio interface such as I have for line-in, mic, MIDI, CD, DVD and do I use "What you hear" to record?

Could I even record on-time sounds from ANOTHER microphone connected to the mic-input of the Audigy 2Zs soundcard?

I am not familiar with USB audio interfaces, by the way, but am rather familiar with the things I use as mentioned. But I gather a USB audio interface is not a sound card, as well explained in this thread. That'd mean my sound quality is ultimately also restricted by my soud card, as it still is the OUTPUT to spekers or amplifiers?

Manguiko
10-04-2008, 07:48 PM
I don't need a USB INTERFACE anymore.
My Audigy 2zs IS stereo via the Mic jack. All one needs to do is at the mixer, choose Line-in, instead of Mic.

THE GEAR GUY
10-08-2008, 10:42 AM
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dcipher
10-19-2008, 12:19 PM
I use a Fast Track Pro, does anyone know how to record in at full volume, but also be listening to the rest of the song at full volume? For example....

When I have a beat open in Fruity Loops, and I want to record in a piano part, to be able to hear the piano I have hooked through the FTP, I have to twist a knob on my Fast Track Pro that dampens the sound from Fruity Loops but makes the sound from the piano louder, giving me an unclear audio level for my keyboard. Does anyone know how I could get this so that the piano sound and my Fruity Loops would be able to play simultaneously/without splitting the sound?

helix2048
08-22-2009, 06:54 PM
Another worthwhile thing to mention in addition to a good sound card is your home electricity. This is one aspect many people take for granted and do not realize the affect it has on recording. Especially with apartments and older homes, the power is not grounded or it has old wiring.

I had a delta 1010 with the breakout box in an old apartment. The frequent power drops caused the PCI card, the breakout box and my PC damage. Since that experience, I use a power conditioner along with a UPS. This was an expensive lesson to learn from since I had to replace my soundcard and my PC. Protect your equipment and it will last you a long time.